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Books & Writers · The Creative Process: Novelists, Screenwriters, Playwrights, Poets, Non-fiction Writers & Journalists Talk Writing, Life & Creativity
Books & Writers · The Creative Process: Novelists, Screenwriters, Playwrights, Poets, Non-fiction Writers & Journalists Talk Writing, Life & Creativity

Books & Writers · The Creative Process: Novelists, Screenwriters, Playwrights, Poets, Non-fiction Writers & Journalists Talk Writing, Life & Creativity

Books & Writing episodes of the popular The Creative Process podcast. To listen to ALL arts & creativity episodes of “The Creative Process · Arts, Culture & Society”, you’ll find our main podcast on Apple: tinyurl.com/thecreativepod, Spotify: tinyurl.com/thecreativespotify, or wherever you get your podcasts!</p> Exploring the fascinating minds of creative people. Conversations with writers, artists & creative thinkers across the Arts & STEM. We discuss their life, work & artistic practice. Winners of Pulitzer, Oscar, Emmy, Tony, leaders & public figures share real experiences & offer valuable insights. Notable guests include: Neil Gaiman, Roxane Gay, George Pelecanos, George Saunders, Viet Thanh Nguyen, Jericho Brown, Joyce Carol Oates, Hilary Mantel, Daniel Handler a.k.a. Lemony Snicket, Siri Hustvedt, Jeffrey Sachs, Jeffrey Rosen (National Constitution Center), Tom Perrotta, Ioannis Trohopoulos (UNESCO World Book Capital), Ana Castillo, David Tomas Martinez, Rebecca Walker, Isabel Allende, Ian Buruma, Aimee Nezhukumatathil, Ada Limon, John d’Agata, Rick Moody, Paul Auster, Robert Olen Butler, Yiyun Li, Rob Nixon, Tobias Wolff, Yann Martel, Junot Díaz, Edna O’Brien, Eimear McBride, Jung Chang, Jane Smiley, Marge Piercy, Maxine Hong Kingston, Sara Paretsky, Carmen Maria Machado, Neil Patrick Harris, Jay McInerney, Etgar Keret, DBC Pierre, Adam Alter, Janet Burroway, Geoff Dyer, Jenny Bhatt, Hala Alyan, E.J. Koh, Jeannie Vanasco, Lan Samantha Chang (Iowa Writers Workshop), Alice Fulton, Alice Notley, McKenzie Funk, Emma Walton Hamilton, Krys Lee, Douglas Kennedy, Sam Lipsyte, Charles Baxter, Azby Brown, G. Samantha Rosenthal, Ashley Dawson, Douglas Wolk, Suzanne Simard, Seth Siegel, Richard Wolff, Todd Miller, Giulio Boccaletti, Amy Aniobi, among others.</p> The interviews are hosted by founder and creative educator Mia Funk with the participation of students, universities, and collaborators from around the world. These conversations are also part of our traveling exhibition.
 www.creativeprocess.info</p> For The Creative Process podcasts from Seasons 1 & 2, visit: tinyurl.com/creativepod or creativeprocess.info/interviews-page-1, which has our complete directory of interviews, transcripts, artworks, and details about ways to get involved.</p>

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How does art change the way we see and experience the world? Art has the power to offer transformative experiences, but what about the lives of artists who give so much of themselves? How can we balance creativity and personal well-being while still making work that is true and meaningful?

David Rubin (President of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences 2019-2022 · Casting Director) discusses the importance of fostering an international presence for the Motion Picture Academy. He highlights how inviting filmmakers from around the world has enriched the community and emphasizes the power of collaboration in the filmmaking industry.

Later, he reflects on his journey in casting, the challenges younger people face in finding their niche, and the importance of patience and open-mindedness in discovering one's career path. Rubin highlights how negative experiences can also be valuable learning points.

Jericho Brown (Pulitzer Prize-winning Poet: The Tradition · Editor of How We Do It: Black Writers on Craft, Practice, and Skill) shares his process of writing poetry, emphasizing the element of discovery and the unexpected directions a poem can take. He shares his advice to young poets, how they should aim to create original works that could become lasting cultural touchstones.

Julian Lennon (Singer-songwriter · Documentary Filmmaker · Founder of The White Feather Foundation · Photographer/Author of Life’s Fragile Moments) reflects on the emotional highs and lows experienced by creatives. He discusses the significance of finding balance and happiness through artistic and charitable expression.

Sam Levy (Award-winning Cinematographer of Lady Bird · Frances Ha · While We’re Young) explores the art of cinematography. Levy underscores the importance of intention in every scene, whether it’s to highlight a character’s emotions or to convey the unspoken elements of the story.

Julia F. Christensen (Neuroscientist - Author of The Pathway To Flow: The New Science of Harnessing Creativity to Heal and Unwind the Body & Mind) discusses transformative experiences through art and literature. She explains how aesthetic emotions can lead to profound changes in perception and understanding, drawing from both personal and scientific insights.

To hear more from each guest, listen to their full interviews.

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This episode explores the enduring power of storytelling to shape our world and illuminate the human experience. Writers Neil Gaiman, Ada Limón, Jericho Brown, E.J. Koh, Marge Piercy, and Max Stossel discuss creativity, resilience, and the power of words to heal and bring people together.

Neil Gaiman (Writer, Producer, Showrunner · The Sandman, American Gods, Good Omens, Coraline) explores the secret lives of writers, reflecting on the masks they wear in the pursuit of truth and beauty.

Jericho Brown (Pulitzer Prize-winning Poet: The Tradition · Editor of How We Do It: Black Writers on Craft, Practice, and Skill) shares “Foreday in the Morning”, highlighting the hard work and resilience in Black America. He examines the vernacular of his poetry and how it intertwines themes of race, nationality, and familial love.

Ada Limón (U.S. Poet Laureate · The Hurting Kind, The Carrying) presents an "apocalyptic love poem" that questions the intersection of despair and hope in today's changing world. She reflects deeply on the personal and universal struggles of finding beauty amidst environmental and existential crises.

Marge Piercy (Award-winning Novelist, Poet & Activist) delves into the emotional weight of words and memories, the terror of child separation, and the impending doom facing our world due to environmental destruction and political negligence.

E.J. Koh (Award-Winning Memoirist & Poet · The Magical Language of Others · A Lesser Love) recounts a haunting family history from Jeju Island in Korea, emphasizing the lasting impacts of trauma and the collective memory of ancestral sufferings.

Max Stossel (Award-winning Poet, Filmmaker, Speaker, Creator of Words That Move) uses the metaphor of a boxing ring to discuss the complexities of human conflict and connection, encouraging a shift from adversarial relationships to collaborative problem-solving.

To hear more from each guest, listen to their full interviews.

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What are the unseen challenges faced by diplomats, and what role do they play in maintaining global order? How do TV shows influence our understanding of real-world politics? How do women navigate power, and what does it take for them to lead in politics?

Debora Cahn is the Emmy-nominated showrunner and executive producer ofNetflix’s The Diplomat, a political thriller series starring Keri Russell and Rufus Sewell. She’s worked with television’s leading showrunners, including Shonda Rhymes, Terence Winter, Steven Levinson, and Howard Gordon. Her career began working on Aaron Sorkin’s The West Wing which has led to projects such as the hit Showtime series Homeland, ABC’s long-running medical drama Grey’s Anatomy, and HBO’s Vinyl, which was co-created by Martin Scorsese. She’s the winner of two Writers Guild of America Awards for The West Wing and FX’s limited series Fosse/Verdon and the 2023 Quincy Award for Responsible Statecraft.

“The question of who's good and who's bad is always front of mind for me because my basic goal is to get to the place where no one is good or bad; everybody is in an unspeakably complicated situation. From the very beginning of the series, this event happens. We believe that it was perpetrated by Iran. Fairly quickly, we learn through the relationships that have been built over time between our heroes, Kate and Hal, and people in other countries that they’ve negotiated with that the assumptions we're making are completely incorrect. In fact, the people we assume have some sort of malintent toward us are being falsely accused. Someone else is playing on the stereotypes we have of those people in order to send us off in the wrong direction.

I feel very fortunate that the medium I’m in is television, which is a very long form of storytelling. You're not telling a single story; you're telling a world. You're inviting people into a world and asking them to live there with you and these characters for a period of time. The best I can do is build a world where people grapple with these important questions and try their best. All I can expect from people and from myself is that we're trying to do something larger than ourselves.”

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“The question of who's good and who's bad is always front of mind for me because my basic goal is to get to the place where no one is good or bad; everybody is in an unspeakably complicated situation. From the very beginning of the series, this event happens. We believe that it was perpetrated by Iran. Fairly quickly, we learn through the relationships that have been built over time between our heroes, Kate and Hal, and people in other countries that they’ve negotiated with that the assumptions we're making are completely incorrect. In fact, the people we assume have some sort of malintent toward us are being falsely accused. Someone else is playing on the stereotypes we have of those people in order to send us off in the wrong direction.

I feel very fortunate that the medium I’m in is television, which is a very long form of storytelling. You're not telling a single story; you're telling a world. You're inviting people into a world and asking them to live there with you and these characters for a period of time. The best I can do is build a world where people grapple with these important questions and try their best. All I can expect from people and from myself is that we're trying to do something larger than ourselves.”

Debora Cahn is the Emmy-nominated showrunner and executive producer ofNetflix’s The Diplomat, a political thriller series starring Keri Russell and Rufus Sewell. She’s worked with television’s leading showrunners, including Shonda Rhymes, Terence Winter, Steven Levinson, and Howard Gordon. Her career began working on Aaron Sorkin’s The West Wing which has led to projects such as the hit Showtime series Homeland, ABC’s long-running medical drama Grey’s Anatomy, and HBO’s Vinyl, which was co-created by Martin Scorsese. She’s the winner of two Writers Guild of America Awards for The West Wing and FX’s limited series Fosse/Verdon and the 2023 Quincy Award for Responsible Statecraft.

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“I think a lot of joy comes from helping others. One of the things that I've been really focusing on is finding that balance in life, what’s real and what’s true and what makes you happy. How can you help other people feel the same and have a happier life? I think whatever that takes. So if that's charity, if that's photography, if that's documentary, if that's music, and I can do it, then I'm going to do it.

From traveling, especially in Ethiopia, Kenya, and even South America, we just see these scenarios and situations where they don't have enough support or finances. Anything I’m involved in, a good percentage goes to The White Feather Foundation. From what I witnessed, I just wanted to be able to help. My best teacher ever was Mum because I watched her live through life with dignity, grace, respect, and empathy. To me, those are some of the key things that are most important in living life. I think you have to love everybody and yourself. Respect is a real key issue, not only for people but for this world that we live in, Mother Earth. It's of key importance that we honor and respect this beautiful little blue ball that we live on.”

Julian Lennon is a Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter, photographer, documentary filmmaker, and NYTimes bestselling author of the Touch the Earth children’s book trilogy. This autumn, Whispers – A Julian Lennon Retrospective is being presented at Le Stanze della Fotografia, culminating in the publication of Life’s Fragile Moments, his first photography book. It features a compilation of images that span over two decades of Lennon's unique life, career, adventures, and philanthropy. He founded The White Feather Foundation in 2007, whose key initiatives are education, health, conservation, and the protection of indigenous cultures. He was the executive producer of Kiss the Ground and other environmental documentaries and was named a Peace Laureate by UNESCO in 2020.

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Life’s Fragile Moments, published by teNeues, www.teneues.com, August 2024. 27,5 x 34 cm |10 5/6 x 13 3/8 in., 240 pages, Hardcover, approx. 200 color photographs, texts English & German ISBN: 978-3-96171-614-2

What is the power of photography? How do images and songs bookmark our lives, reminding us of what we care about, who we love, and what it means to be alive?

Julian Lennon is a Grammy-nominated singer-songwriter, photographer, documentary filmmaker, and NYTimes bestselling author of the Touch the Earth children’s book trilogy. This autumn, Whispers – A Julian Lennon Retrospective is being presented at Le Stanze della Fotografia, culminating in the publication of Life’s Fragile Moments, his first photography book. It features a compilation of images that span over two decades of Lennon's unique life, career, adventures, and philanthropy. He founded The White Feather Foundation in 2007, whose key initiatives are education, health, conservation, and the protection of indigenous cultures. He was the executive producer of Kiss the Ground and other environmental documentaries and was named a Peace Laureate by UNESCO in 2020.

“I think a lot of joy comes from helping others. One of the things that I've been really focusing on is finding that balance in life, what’s real and what’s true and what makes you happy. How can you help other people feel the same and have a happier life? I think whatever that takes. So if that's charity, if that's photography, if that's documentary, if that's music, and I can do it, then I'm going to do it.

From traveling, especially in Ethiopia, Kenya, and even South America, we just see these scenarios and situations where they don't have enough support or finances. Anything I’m involved in, a good percentage goes to The White Feather Foundation. From what I witnessed, I just wanted to be able to help. My best teacher ever was Mum because I watched her live through life with dignity, grace, respect, and empathy. To me, those are some of the key things that are most important in living life. I think you have to love everybody and yourself. Respect is a real key issue, not only for people but for this world that we live in, Mother Earth. It's of key importance that we honor and respect this beautiful little blue ball that we live on.”

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How and when will we transition to a clean energy future? How have wetlands become both crucial carbon sinks and colossal methane emitters in a warming world? What lessons can we learn from non-human animals about living in greater harmony with nature?

Richard Black (Author of The Future of Energy · Fmr. BBC Environment Correspondent · Director of Policy & Strategy · Global Clean Energy Thinktank · Ember) addresses the substantial economic impact of fossil fuel subsidies, noting that the actual costs, when including climate change damages, reach up to six or seven trillion dollars annually, overshadowing the relatively small climate finance provided by Western governments.

Euan Nisbet (Earth Systems Scientist · Royal Holloway University of London) explores the role of methane in the atmosphere, its historical importance in maintaining the planet’s temperature, and its current contribution to global warming. He explains the sources of methane, including natural processes and human activities, and discusses recent trends and challenges tied to rising methane levels.

Julie Pierce (Vice President of Strategy & Planning · Minnesota Power) highlights her company's significant strides in sustainability. She outlines Minnesota Power's decade-long journey towards decarbonization, noting that they have transitioned from a 95% fossil-based portfolio to sourcing 50-60% of their energy from clean sources, including wind, solar, and hydropower.

Arash Abizadeh (Professor of Political Science · McGill University Author of Hobbes and the Two Faces of Ethics · Associate Editor · Free & Equal) reflects on the future we are leaving for the next generations. He underscores the social and political challenges of ensuring that the technologies and resources needed to adapt to climate change are distributed equitably across all societies.

Daniel Susskind (Economist · Oxford & King’s College London · Author of Growth: A Reckoning · A World Without Work) discusses the critical role of technological progress in driving economic growth. He advocates for a shift toward technologies that not only enhance prosperity but also protect the environment and promote social equity.

Ian Robertson (Author of How Confidence Works: The New Science of Self-belief · Co-Director of the Global Brain Health Institute · Co-Leader of The BrainHealth Project) calls for young people to connect with nature and develop mastery over their minds. He envisions a future where individuals can access the joy of being conscious, embodied beings in a healthy, natural world.

Ingrid Newkirk (Founder & President of PETA · People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) emphasizes the shared traits between humans and other animals, advocating for a compassionate approach to all living beings. She urges listeners to recognize the personhood in animals and to treat them with respect and empathy.

This episode brings together diverse voices discussing critical environmental and ethical issues. From the economic burden of fossil fuel subsidies to the equitable distribution of climate adaptation resources, the importance of technological progress, and the need for the ethical treatment of animals.

To hear more from each guest, listen to their full interviews.
The interviews highlighted in this episode were conducted by Mia Funk with the participation of collaborating universities and students. Associate Interviews Producer on this episode was Sophie Garnier. The Creative Process & One Planet Podcast is produced by Mia Funk.

Mia Funk is an artist, interviewer, and founder of The Creative Process & One Planet Podcast (Conversations about Climate Change & Environmental Solutions).
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How can we unlock a state of flow in our daily lives? How does connecting with nature influence our mental and physical well-being? How do movement, dance and play help us feel more creative, connected, and content?

Dr. Julia F. Christensen is a Danish neuroscientist and former dancer currently working as a senior scientist at the Max Planck Institute for Empirical Aesthetics in Germany. She studied psychology, human evolution, and neuroscience in France, Spain and the UK. For her postdoctoral training, she worked in international, interdisciplinary research labs at University College London, City, University London and the Warburg Institute, London and was awarded a postdoctoral Newton International Fellowship by the British Academy. Her new book The Pathway to Flow is about the science of flow, why our brain needs it and how to create the right habits in our brain to get it.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

When we look at nature, we see the true flow in the natural world: Take like the murmuration of starlings, there are tens of thousands of birds moving together in beautiful harmony. Or the synchronization of fireflies. Or the schools of sardines that move in like one shimmering mass. Those jellyfish blooms where their bodies are pulsating in perfect unison. You’re a neuroscientist, but you come originally from the world of dance world where you were able to tap into this kind of collective intelligence that we see in coral reef ecosystems and all throughout the natural world, this expression of living harmoniously without effort. Human beings are living in this increasingly complex world where data is being collected, doubling every two years, and we're bombarded with images, text, and social media news. It can be difficult to find that natural flow, and people are struggling, finding it hard to relax and have that balance. Our minds are become trapped in a cycle of overthinking.

I also dance, and I find it frees my mind, and I don't have time to overthink. It’s a way to kind of escape oneself. Today, as people are living with these constant inner, interior monologues of rumination and self-doubt, how can people reconnect with that sense of flow? What are the pathways we can take to free ourselves from overthinking and experience that greater grace, energy, and creativity?

JULIA CHRISTENSEN

While you were talking, I already got into a state of flow of just imagining all these beings being in perfect sync and harmony. As we know from some anthropological and archaeological work, we humans, with the special edition brain that we have between our ears, have been admiring this sort of synchrony for a very long time. So drawings of beings moving in synchrony on cave walls, like cattle, for example. These swarms of beings that are with us on this Earth inspire us to look at them.

And why do we look at things? Because the human brain will usually only attend to something that is relevant, either because it's dangerous. So we need to attend to get away. Or because it is good, and we need to have more of it for some reason or another for survival. So, our brain is structured around very deep-seated systems that are important to keep us alive and those they tell us to approach or avoid. It seems very much that we approach synchrony and harmony and visual and auditory and tactile and taste and smell, so there's something. When we're exposed in our senses to these cues that attract us, we know from modern neuroscience that our physiology, our heart rate, will synchronize with external cues, for example, other people.

Now you mentioned dancing. So with the people who dance when we dance with them, our breathing rates might synchronize without us willing to. We're joining in, and this synchrony basically has a very special effect on us. Other people that we're synchronizing within dance and people who have been found to be synchronous in movement and physiology, afterward show more empathy towards each other, and they like each other more. And when they're asked to do a task, then they are more creative, and more efficient in solving that task together than people who've maybe also been together in a room but moving asynchronously or not moving together at all.

So there's something about this flowy synchronousness in nature and us as part of that nature that has been efficient, for example, for the social connectedness of beings. So if I feel more connected to you, I will be more willing to do something for you to collaborate with you and funny enough, we seem to be more coordinated and also solving problems.

So, there are loads of advantages on the social side of being in synchrony and how that relates to flow. I guess that is a broad question because it depends a bit on how we. It might define the flow. So now I'm a scientist today. I was not always a scientist. I used to be a dancer, so I definitely am speaking to you with my two hats. As a scientist, I will always have to define phenomena in a way that I could test them with an experiment. We would distinguish between the state of flow, this feeling of being completely absorbed into an activity so that time and space disappear, somehow compress, or expand.

We do it for our intrinsic motivation, and we feel that skill and our depth, the challenge of what we're doing, are in perfect harmony. So it's neither too difficult nor too easy. and we have a clear goal in what we're doing. We know what we want to achieve. There's no competitiveness. We're just doing it because of the pleasure of doing it. That is a state that has been studied extensively by a Hungarian scientist for decades, Professor Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, who coined the term flow. And that really his work took this to the stage of empirical scientific research, so to speak.

The state of being in flow and seeking out that state, sort of disappearing from the here and now... it must have been something that has been part of human cultures for many millennia. We know that, for example, dancing can bring you into these states. And we know from many anthropological works that people dance themselves into trance, a type of flow. So, there is that flow in this scientific sense of a state of well-being. And we will speak about what that does to our brain and our broader wellbeing, but also the flow in what cues enter into our senses. So that would be a scientific field that looks at brain synchrony, physiology synchrony, these waves that we see that sort of connect with us.

And we then have incredible social benefits. And it seems that humans who did that to themselves often might have had a competitive advantage over maybe other species that did not. unite synchronously and did not have these advantages from doing that. So we should all synchronize.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

I wonder how you feel living in cities affects our natural flow and sense of connection to ourselves. You know, these man-made environments with too much cement and great infrastructure with not enough green spaces can disconnect us from the Earth and our own creative expression. So, how can we make our outer worlds better reflect our inner needs for calm and connection and design those spaces and communities that foster our creative flow?

CHRISTENSEN

You are touching on incredibly important points. Actually, one of the seven important points regarding how we can live a life that is conducive to flow and point one is this connection with our body and our physicality. Our body needs around 150 to 180 minutes of aerobic exercise per week. So aerobic means that the heartbeat goes over 140 beats per minute. This number is due to research that shows that if we don't have it, the risks we have of developing heart disease, diabetes type two, some cancers, and some infectious diseases increase statistically significantly if we do not have movement in our, like, body movement in our daily life. So 150 to 180 minutes of moderate exercise per week is nonnegotiable. Why? For a still mind, you're asking me what is important for a still mind. Why? If we take such behavior like sitting, which a lot of us do in our modern urban spaces. Most of us adults in Western world sit around 9 to 10 hours per day. This increases heart disease risk by 34%, and it is a health hazard.

This brain-body connection is incredibly important to understand. We don't have one brain for art and one brain for all other life; it's all one. Through the behaviors that we enact, whether good or bad for health, it's all one. We have a say in how our brain activates. One final thing you said about natural spaces: impressive work on the neuroscience of human-nature interaction has shown that when we are among trees, among birds, in nature, there is a biophilic effect. Our body and brain like it, and it manifests in a specific activation pattern in the brain—alpha band activity—and it is a restorative activation pattern. When we are in nature, something in evolution does that when we're there, our brain resets. Restoration means we get rid of toxins; it means that our brain gets this default mode network activation that is so good for resetting us, taking us out of the here and now. If we are in urban landscapes, even if they are very beautiful to look at—architecture, I love it, and we must look at it, and it is awe-inspiring—we do need to make sure to be in nature regularly because otherwise, our body cannot relax.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

Why is reconnecting with flow important in today's world, which often values outcome over process?

CHRISTENSEN

As children, we naturally embody this state, but we unlearn it because it is no longer part of our culture to encourage play... The science shows if you do this often, you will be healthier.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

How does engaging in creative activities impact our mental and physical health?

CHRISTENSEN

Intervention studies show creative writing can be conducive to better health. People who write expressively, just 20 minutes, twice a week, for a period of time have better health indices. It’s important to give people back this joy of playing, focusing on the pleasure of whatever you have in your hand.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

Can educational practices support creativity and flow in students?

CHRISTENSEN

The way we encourage play and creativity, it's about focusing on the process and the joy of creation, rather than the outcome. Encouraging these practices maintains both creativity and wellbeing.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

How can people find moments of flow in their busy lives?

CHRISTENSEN

We don't have time to submerge ourselves for hours every day, but we might need flow every day. It’s about understanding our mind hooks... and finding five minutes to create a habit in our brain.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

What are your reflections on how AI is changing creativity and the way we communicate with each other?

CHRISTENSEN

So, syncopation is now the big thing. It will induce people to groove and to like your music more. So let's have a lot of syncopation inside your music and you'll sell a lot. By chasing superficial beauty, which is what AI gives us at the moment, it aims for perfect outcomes. Not that anything these models produce is perfect, because how do you evaluate perfection? But they are based on the data that most people want to see again. That's extremely important to bear in mind. When you say 'cluttered mind,' it's actually also a cluttered brain in terms of the neurotransmitters out and about. As we strive for that perfect coding and external beauty, our brain releases dopamine signals. Dopamine is good; it's a learning signal to the brain, but we need to know how to use it. Constantly swiping our phone and getting this beauty into our brain via our eyes or via the syncopations in the music teaches our mind to seek that all the time because that's a dopamine signal. It's a learning signal. So, striving after these shapes and sound cues repeatedly clutters your brain. That's why your mind is full.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

What excites you about future collaborations between arts and sciences?

CHRISTENSEN

Opening up to work with non-Western and Western artists and scientists across divides is very rewarding. You discover stuff about yourself and about others. We become this oneness when we synchronize physiological rhythms and ideas.

Photo credit: Hans Scherhaufer

For the full conversation, listen to the episode.

This interview was conducted by Mia Funk and Sebastian Classen with the participation of collaborating universities and students. Associate Interviews Producers on this episode were Sophie Garnier and Sebastian Classen. The Creative Process & One Planet Podcast is produced by Mia Funk.

Mia Funk is an artist, interviewer, and founder of The Creative Process & One Planet Podcast (Conversations about Climate Change & Environmental Solutions).
Listen on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

How can we unlock a state of flow in our daily lives? How does connecting with nature influence our mental and physical well-being? How do movement, dance and play help us feel more creative, connected, and content?

Dr. Julia F. Christensen is a Danish neuroscientist and former dancer currently working as a senior scientist at the Max Planck Institute for Empirical Aesthetics in Germany. She studied psychology, human evolution, and neuroscience in France, Spain and the UK. For her postdoctoral training, she worked in international, interdisciplinary research labs at University College London, City, University London and the Warburg Institute, London and was awarded a postdoctoral Newton International Fellowship by the British Academy. Her new book The Pathway to Flow is about the science of flow, why our brain needs it and how to create the right habits in our brain to get it.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

When we look at nature, we see the true flow in the natural world: Take like the murmuration of starlings, there are tens of thousands of birds moving together in beautiful harmony. Or the synchronization of fireflies. Or the schools of sardines that move in like one shimmering mass. Those jellyfish blooms where their bodies are pulsating in perfect unison. You’re a neuroscientist, but you come originally from the world of dance world where you were able to tap into this kind of collective intelligence that we see in coral reef ecosystems and all throughout the natural world, this expression of living harmoniously without effort. Human beings are living in this increasingly complex world where data is being collected, doubling every two years, and we're bombarded with images, text, and social media news. It can be difficult to find that natural flow, and people are struggling, finding it hard to relax and have that balance. Our minds are become trapped in a cycle of overthinking.

I also dance, and I find it frees my mind, and I don't have time to overthink. It’s a way to kind of escape oneself. Today, as people are living with these constant inner, interior monologues of rumination and self-doubt, how can people reconnect with that sense of flow? What are the pathways we can take to free ourselves from overthinking and experience that greater grace, energy, and creativity?

JULIA CHRISTENSEN

While you were talking, I already got into a state of flow of just imagining all these beings being in perfect sync and harmony. As we know from some anthropological and archaeological work, we humans, with the special edition brain that we have between our ears, have been admiring this sort of synchrony for a very long time. So drawings of beings moving in synchrony on cave walls, like cattle, for example. These swarms of beings that are with us on this Earth inspire us to look at them.

And why do we look at things? Because the human brain will usually only attend to something that is relevant, either because it's dangerous. So we need to attend to get away. Or because it is good, and we need to have more of it for some reason or another for survival. So, our brain is structured around very deep-seated systems that are important to keep us alive and those they tell us to approach or avoid. It seems very much that we approach synchrony and harmony and visual and auditory and tactile and taste and smell, so there's something. When we're exposed in our senses to these cues that attract us, we know from modern neuroscience that our physiology, our heart rate, will synchronize with external cues, for example, other people.

Now you mentioned dancing. So with the people who dance when we dance with them, our breathing rates might synchronize without us willing to. We're joining in, and this synchrony basically has a very special effect on us. Other people that we're synchronizing within dance and people who have been found to be synchronous in movement and physiology, afterward show more empathy towards each other, and they like each other more. And when they're asked to do a task, then they are more creative, and more efficient in solving that task together than people who've maybe also been together in a room but moving asynchronously or not moving together at all.

So there's something about this flowy synchronousness in nature and us as part of that nature that has been efficient, for example, for the social connectedness of beings. So if I feel more connected to you, I will be more willing to do something for you to collaborate with you and funny enough, we seem to be more coordinated and also solving problems.

So, there are loads of advantages on the social side of being in synchrony and how that relates to flow. I guess that is a broad question because it depends a bit on how we. It might define the flow. So now I'm a scientist today. I was not always a scientist. I used to be a dancer, so I definitely am speaking to you with my two hats. As a scientist, I will always have to define phenomena in a way that I could test them with an experiment. We would distinguish between the state of flow, this feeling of being completely absorbed into an activity so that time and space disappear, somehow compress, or expand.

We do it for our intrinsic motivation, and we feel that skill and our depth, the challenge of what we're doing, are in perfect harmony. So it's neither too difficult nor too easy. and we have a clear goal in what we're doing. We know what we want to achieve. There's no competitiveness. We're just doing it because of the pleasure of doing it. That is a state that has been studied extensively by a Hungarian scientist for decades, Professor Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, who coined the term flow. And that really his work took this to the stage of empirical scientific research, so to speak.

The state of being in flow and seeking out that state, sort of disappearing from the here and now... it must have been something that has been part of human cultures for many millennia. We know that, for example, dancing can bring you into these states. And we know from many anthropological works that people dance themselves into trance, a type of flow. So, there is that flow in this scientific sense of a state of well-being. And we will speak about what that does to our brain and our broader wellbeing, but also the flow in what cues enter into our senses. So that would be a scientific field that looks at brain synchrony, physiology synchrony, these waves that we see that sort of connect with us.

And we then have incredible social benefits. And it seems that humans who did that to themselves often might have had a competitive advantage over maybe other species that did not. unite synchronously and did not have these advantages from doing that. So we should all synchronize.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

I wonder how you feel living in cities affects our natural flow and sense of connection to ourselves. You know, these man-made environments with too much cement and great infrastructure with not enough green spaces can disconnect us from the Earth and our own creative expression. So, how can we make our outer worlds better reflect our inner needs for calm and connection and design those spaces and communities that foster our creative flow?

CHRISTENSEN

You are touching on incredibly important points. Actually, one of the seven important points regarding how we can live a life that is conducive to flow and point one is this connection with our body and our physicality. Our body needs around 150 to 180 minutes of aerobic exercise per week. So aerobic means that the heartbeat goes over 140 beats per minute. This number is due to research that shows that if we don't have it, the risks we have of developing heart disease, diabetes type two, some cancers, and some infectious diseases increase statistically significantly if we do not have movement in our, like, body movement in our daily life. So 150 to 180 minutes of moderate exercise per week is nonnegotiable. Why? For a still mind, you're asking me what is important for a still mind. Why? If we take such behavior like sitting, which a lot of us do in our modern urban spaces. Most of us adults in Western world sit around 9 to 10 hours per day. This increases heart disease risk by 34%, and it is a health hazard.

This brain-body connection is incredibly important to understand. We don't have one brain for art and one brain for all other life; it's all one. Through the behaviors that we enact, whether good or bad for health, it's all one. We have a say in how our brain activates. One final thing you said about natural spaces: impressive work on the neuroscience of human-nature interaction has shown that when we are among trees, among birds, in nature, there is a biophilic effect. Our body and brain like it, and it manifests in a specific activation pattern in the brain—alpha band activity—and it is a restorative activation pattern. When we are in nature, something in evolution does that when we're there, our brain resets. Restoration means we get rid of toxins; it means that our brain gets this default mode network activation that is so good for resetting us, taking us out of the here and now. If we are in urban landscapes, even if they are very beautiful to look at—architecture, I love it, and we must look at it, and it is awe-inspiring—we do need to make sure to be in nature regularly because otherwise, our body cannot relax.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

Why is reconnecting with flow important in today's world, which often values outcome over process?

CHRISTENSEN

As children, we naturally embody this state, but we unlearn it because it is no longer part of our culture to encourage play... The science shows if you do this often, you will be healthier.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

How does engaging in creative activities impact our mental and physical health?

CHRISTENSEN

Intervention studies show creative writing can be conducive to better health. People who write expressively, just 20 minutes, twice a week, for a period of time have better health indices. It’s important to give people back this joy of playing, focusing on the pleasure of whatever you have in your hand.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

Can educational practices support creativity and flow in students?

CHRISTENSEN

The way we encourage play and creativity, it's about focusing on the process and the joy of creation, rather than the outcome. Encouraging these practices maintains both creativity and wellbeing.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

How can people find moments of flow in their busy lives?

CHRISTENSEN

We don't have time to submerge ourselves for hours every day, but we might need flow every day. It’s about understanding our mind hooks... and finding five minutes to create a habit in our brain.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

What are your reflections on how AI is changing creativity and the way we communicate with each other?

CHRISTENSEN

So, syncopation is now the big thing. It will induce people to groove and to like your music more. So let's have a lot of syncopation inside your music and you'll sell a lot. By chasing superficial beauty, which is what AI gives us at the moment, it aims for perfect outcomes. Not that anything these models produce is perfect, because how do you evaluate perfection? But they are based on the data that most people want to see again. That's extremely important to bear in mind. When you say 'cluttered mind,' it's actually also a cluttered brain in terms of the neurotransmitters out and about. As we strive for that perfect coding and external beauty, our brain releases dopamine signals. Dopamine is good; it's a learning signal to the brain, but we need to know how to use it. Constantly swiping our phone and getting this beauty into our brain via our eyes or via the syncopations in the music teaches our mind to seek that all the time because that's a dopamine signal. It's a learning signal. So, striving after these shapes and sound cues repeatedly clutters your brain. That's why your mind is full.

THE CREATIVE PROCESS

What excites you about future collaborations between arts and sciences?

CHRISTENSEN

Opening up to work with non-Western and Western artists and scientists across divides is very rewarding. You discover stuff about yourself and about others. We become this oneness when we synchronize physiological rhythms and ideas.

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This interview was conducted by Mia Funk and Sebastian Classen with the participation of collaborating universities and students. Associate Interviews Producers on this episode were Sophie Garnier and Sebastian Classen. The Creative Process & One Planet Podcast is produced by Mia Funk.

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Jericho Brown (Pulitzer Prize-winning Poet · Director of Creative Writing Program at Emory University · Author of The Tradition · The New Testament) emphasizes the power and agency that young writers have to create change. He encourages persistence and the importance of trying, despite the fear of failure.

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Manuela Lucá-Dazio (Exec. Director of the Pritzker Architecture Prize · Fmr. Exec. Director of Venice Biennale · Dept. of Visual Arts & Architecture) discusses the necessity of reconnecting with cultural heritage and expanding educational tools. She advocates for a more imaginative approach to integrating different fields of knowledge and teaching methods.

Jeffrey D. Sachs (Economist · President of UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network · Director of Center for Sustainable Development · Columbia University) highlights the global consensus on Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) and the critical importance of education. He specifically advocates for SDG 4, which focuses on inclusive and equitable quality education for all.

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Erland Cooper (Songwriter · Producer · Multi-instrumentalist · Composer of Folded Landscapes) reminisces about his upbringing surrounded by nature and traditional folk music. He shares how these elements have influenced his work and creative process.

Peter Singer (Philosopher · Author of Animal Liberation · Founder of The Life You Can Save) examines the core philosophical questions about living a good life. He discusses the principles of Effective Altruism and the importance of using our resources wisely to make the world a better place.

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